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Message 12455 (1. Jun. 2010 20:30) (Tree)

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cephalopoid: cephalopoid's definitive build-a-skate-thread (19. May. 2010 11:56)
	I've been posting my progress a little bit all over this forum, now I'll limit myself to this thread. Check my photobucket I just uploaded pics from last night and this morning. I screwed up the first pair of plates because I wasn't thinking when I took a part of the curved end. Now I started in the rear, which also has a small curve, but this time it's not life-threatening in the "hey, where's my truck?" in the middle of an air kind of way. You can see me marking to where I should sand exactly, after which I'll measure where the trucks should go. Oh, and I accidentally posted my synthesizer setup, too. ^^ And you may see my spraypainted gasmask, used for clubbing as well as lung protection while cutting with my dremel. Still gotta post the pics from cutting the first plates, which were quite spectacular with sparks and dust flying all over. Captcha: fugger lead =)
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cephalopoid: Plate in the boot or t-nuts? (21. May. 2010 03:39)
	: Seems to be a nice guy. I've had my experiences with this fella. The first time I heard the price of a good skateboard, the words came out of his mouth. I didn't know where I, a 13yo boy, could get that money from. Then I wasted some on toy decks before coming back later to him with some saved dough. But those are other stories. : I'd go for it. As you can see from my howto, I used washers to protect the boot. Works reasonably well (well, it held up for 10 to 20 years, so I guess so). Some plates shaped after the boot should be even better. It would be quite a luxury innerbootplate, indeed, now that I let the idea sink in. I've been looking over setups listed in the "Resources" section, too. I am way too impatient at the moment. The sun is shining almost every day now and I'd rather ride quads than inlines. I've got a little problem with the baseplate now, I think, as there's not enough room for extra bolts and nuts around the front trucks. I see three solutions: -Yours(provided you, the reader, post one) -There may still be enough room under the truck (I hope that would provide enough stability, but I will need support in the breadth no matter what) -Longer bolts which transcend from the boot holding the baseplate and the trucks Insomnia sucks. I hate bipolar syndrome.
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biffsk8er: Plate in the boot or t-nuts? (21. May. 2010 10:54)
	: I am way too impatient at the moment. The sun is shining almost every day now and I'd rather ride quads than inlines. : I've got a little problem with the baseplate now, I think, as there's not enough room for extra bolts and nuts around the front trucks. I see three solutions: : -Yours(provided you, the reader, post one) : -There may still be enough room under the truck (I hope that would provide enough stability, but I will need support in the breadth no matter what) : -Longer bolts which transcend from the boot holding the baseplate and the trucks I need pics to see exactly what the problem is here before I can answer. Captcha is "tax gypsies"
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cephalopoid: delay is over (30. May. 2010 00:15)
	Hiya guys, I got a bit delayed last week because I had to help my girlfriend move. It came quite as a surprise, as her asocial housemates didn't announce they wanted to wake us up at half past 5 on a sunday morning. It was the last thing that helped us made our mind up after having trouble with them for the last 6 months, like the "shared" kitchen which wasn't as shared as we hoped it was, and their poor hygiene which left their traces all over the house. Well, to cut a long story short, all of a sudden I didn't have the time to work on the quads, and afterwards I didn't have enough room, because 3/4 of her stuff had to go to my room. Now I've just finished giving everything a place, so I can -finally- go on. Paul made me the insole plates, and they turned out waaaaaay cool. I still owe you guys some pics, so you'll get them. Very, very soon.
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cephalopoid: Boot to truck or boot to plate to truck? (31. May. 2010 23:46)
	Let's call the setup that gets me long bolts going through all layers straight to the truck the "long bolts", and the one with bolts going from the boot holding just the plate, and the plate holding the trucks the "short bolt" setup. While making the holes through the plate, I realised a lot can go wrong while marking and drilling the holes. The boots cost 85 european cocainestraws, whereas the plates are for free from a source. Now I thought, if I just have holes in the boots which are ready for use with any setting of the trucks, which means in a shortbolt setup, there's no risk in "drilling wrong". If I screw up on a longbolt setup, it would be a terrible waste of resources! Of course, this seems a lot like how the "Plate in boot or t-nuts?" thread ended, but I'd still like to hear your opinions.
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cephalopoid: Boot to truck or boot to plate to truck? (1. Jun. 2010 20:13)
	: You could do to both of your trucks what I did to the rear trucks on my skates; and it would most likely solve your problem. : : I bolted the trucks to the skis with short bolts. Then, with strong clamps holding the plates to my boots, I drilled 2 more holes through the trucks and on through the boot. These 2 holes required 2 long bolts to attach the plates to the heels of my boot. You could do the same to your front trucks. Yeah, that's exactly what I meant with the "short boot setup". The boots are connected indirectly to the trucks. I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one with that setup. :D : Note : I would not put a bolt anywhere where the sole of your boot is not touching (as in your picture) the plate. It might cause the bolt to pull through. I think that problem would be solved by using spacers. I have lots of surplus nuts because of an error I've made while shopping, so I'll be using those as spacers. I don't believe it will rip. Paul did a very good job on the steel soles. I gave him 3 cans of a good brand of beer, he deserved it. I'll take some pics of them. I completely forgot to do that, sorry guys... So, I still wonder what zorg's setup is when it comes to bolts 'n' nuts. Anyway, I'll do the "short bolt" or "indirect" or "whatever name you want to give it, it's the best in my case" setup. Measure precisely, drill sloppily... I should have a drill on a stand that holds it vertically for these things. I wonder if it's cheap to come by for a dremel, and whether it's any good... To the goog(le)mobile!
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biffsk8er: Enlightenment (7. Jun. 2010 06:24)
	: How did you fasten the frames? Very badly. I used bolts that went through the plastic of the frame and through the plate. The were fastened to the plate with locknuts. The problem was that the plastic that the Able frames were made of was too soft. After repeated use, the bolts pulled right through the plastic. If I did it again, I'd fill the hollow inside of the frames with wood, and secure it there with screws penetrating from from side to side. Then, I'd attach that to the plates with either good solid screws or bolts. However, I will never use inline frames again, as they really are not the right width for quads. In fact, I am thinking up a new design, as we type, for my next build that will be wider. I now manufacture my own UHMW plastic slider plates(as suggested to me by many on this site).
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cephalopoid: Drill press (8. Jun. 2010 18:59)
	I found someone who has a drill press I can use, so now it's just drawing and marking, then visit that fellow. After that it would just be sinking holes and putting it all together. :D As you might see on my picasa, I've already finished trimming the "inline frames" so they can be used as sliders, my fingers, too, for that matter. You may notice the recent usage of gardening gloves. I also had to learn on youtube from AskTheBuilder that drilling in metal is best done slowly... if I had known this before, it would've saved me lots of trouble. NEWSFLASH: I just heard from the guy with the drill press. He asked if I wanted to come by tomorrow... Really gotta do the drawings and markings for the right skate tonight, then. :)
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cephalopoid: Drill press (10. Jun. 2010 12:24)
	: Use locknuts with the nylock plastic built into them if you can get them. Less trouble than nuts with separate lock washers, and they do not bite into your plates lick nuts with built in star washers. Well, I do already have locknuts. The only reason you can't see them in my picasa-pics, is because I wanted to save them for when I'm sure I'm finished. By the way, I keep uploading pics there. Have you guys already seen the session 9 album? I could use some ideas on how to (safely) drill through the boots' soles. Would be a waste of 85 precious bucks if I screwed that one up, and I wouldn't know how to hold it perpendicularly while drilling, whether it's with a drill press or a hand drill.
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biffsk8er: Drill press (10. Jun. 2010 16:53)
	: Well, I do already have locknuts. The only reason you can't see them in my picasa-pics, is because I wanted to save them for when I'm sure I'm finished. : By the way, I keep uploading pics there. Have you guys already seen the session 9 album? : : I could use some ideas on how to (safely) drill through the boots' soles. Would be a waste of 85 precious bucks if I screwed that one up, and I wouldn't know how to hold it perpendicularly while drilling, whether it's with a drill press or a hand drill. Hey! I was way behind on your Picassa pics!! You've done a lot. I like the Xsjado frames. Looks good! I take it you will bolt the angle stock onto the skis and then bolt the xsjados onto the angle stock? To drill the boots, do not rush. I used a sliding bar clamp to get my plate centered on my boot. I drilled the mounting holes, with only the skateboard truck bases (hangers) on the plates, by clamping the (ski) plate to the boots and then drilling. I wanted all three of these components together for drilling so that the holes would line up. I also bolted the first drilled hole, in order to keep the plate in place while drilling. I ALSO bolted the second hole, which was cattycorner to the first hole, for the same reason. The last two holes were much easier. It would be harder to do this if you already attached your frames. After drilling all your mounting holes, I'd the remove the plate, attach the frames, etc.., before fully mounting the plates to the boots.
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cephalopoid: Drill press (11. Jun. 2010 18:15)
	: I put a block of wood in a vice sticking up, jam the boots onto it and drill straight down. : : Also I use a small rectangular shim of metal with holes drilled either end as a washer for the front mount bolts on the inside of the boot. Also helps stop the bolts pulling through. I still don't quite get how and where you jam the boots between the block of wood and the vice, can you expand on that? Drilling straight down is hard with a handdrill. Good idea on using rectangular shims! It might just be that I used the exact same kind of shims on my self-made soap shoes. I'll post some pics of these later on, when my skates are finished and my room is a tad tidier.
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cephalopoid: Drill press (11. Jun. 2010 18:34)
	: : I could use some ideas on how to (safely) drill through the boots' soles. : : Lookup Claudine's writeup of how she did it: http://www.stonescape.net/~claudine/centering.html : : : Would be a waste of 85 precious bucks if I screwed that one up, and I wouldn't know how to hold it perpendicularly while drilling, whether it's with a drill press or a hand drill. : : Well, I always was too impatient to do it in another way than holding the boot in one hand and the drill in the other. Most of the time I had to correct the holes. I found it always to be uncritical when the holes where a bit bigger. Claudines way looks very good, but making a wooden replica of my feet just takes too much time. You're right on the fact holes can be corrected, the problem is that you can't do it everywhere. But there has to be at least two holes keeping the bolt tightly in place. Thanks for the encouragement, though. Seeing everyone skate on diyed setups, one sloppier made than the other, while everyone still rips it hard makes it easier to look at the marginal mistakes and shrug them off. captcha: Mr Naivety
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Bernhard: Drill press (12. Jun. 2010 21:47)
	: Claudines way looks very good, but making a wooden replica of my feet just takes too much time. My line of thinking. But Claudine can't be beaten with respect to accuracy. : Thanks for the encouragement, though. Seeing everyone skate on diyed setups, one sloppier made than the other, while everyone still rips it hard makes it easier to look at the marginal mistakes and shrug them off. In the end only those who get their skates built will be able to skate them. There where also cases of overdesigned setups that never have been built and their ingenious designers having nothing to skate on. Well, maybe someday they will be back. At least you are not in this category. You have progressed too far not to complete the endeavour. : captcha: Mr Naivety He he. I think we all need to be a bit naive to think we can build our own skates. ;)
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cephalopoid: Practically finished the left skate. (19. Jun. 2010 23:30)
	So, guys, I think I've finished the left skate. (Still have to cut into my shock pads, though, but that's a matter of half an hour or less.) When I was asking for advice on whether to do both at the same time or first finishing the left one, then do the right one, I forgot they weren't perfectly mirrored, so doing them simultaneously wouldn't have made that big a difference. Sorry for wasting your time, I think I was just looking for motivation, inspiration, and the saddest of them all, attention. Although the finished left skate can be used to mirror the right one as well as possible. If it turns out messed up, I know what's the first thing I'll do. Butcher another pair of skis. Mwahahaha Anyway uh, I'm still making pics here and there, but I haven't found the camera cable yet, so it will still take a few days before posting a shitload of pics. captcha: awful 135 Makes me think of radioactive elements, like cesium 137... but awful?
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biffsk8er: Practically finished the left skate. (20. Jun. 2010 08:22)
	: So, guys, I think I've finished the left skate. : (Still have to cut into my shock pads, though, but that's a matter of half an hour or less.) : : When I was asking for advice on whether to do both at the same time or first finishing the left one, then do the right one, I forgot they weren't perfectly mirrored, so doing them simultaneously wouldn't have made that big a difference. : Sorry for wasting your time, I think I was just looking for motivation, inspiration, and the saddest of them all, attention. : Although the finished left skate can be used to mirror the right one as well as possible. : : If it turns out messed up, I know what's the first thing I'll do. Butcher another pair of skis. Mwahahaha : : Anyway uh, I'm still making pics here and there, but I haven't found the camera cable yet, so it will still take a few days before posting a shitload of pics. : : captcha: awful 135 : Makes me think of radioactive elements, like cesium 137... but awful? Shut up already and post the finshed skates with you riding them!! :P
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cephalopoid: screwing nuts on "loose" bolts? (26. Jun. 2010 01:41)
	I'm not sure if I was clear in asking my question, as I'm dead tired after a day of good progress, unnecessary bloodshed and lots of cursing. In Holland we curse with diseases. Cholera! Tyfus! ;) Anyhoo, here's the question, as posted before here: http://www.instructables.com/answers/How-to-tighten-locknuts-without-the-bolt-being-fas/ ================================ How to tighten locknuts without the bolt being fastened? ================================ So, I'm trying to fasten my trucks to my diy-ed skates now, but one of the three bolts of the first truck is looser in it's hole than the other three. When I try to screw the locknut on, the bolt just turns along, and there's my sole on the other end. First mounting the trucks to the baseplate and then mounting the baseplate to the boot is not an option, as there's bolts fastening the plate under the trucks.
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biffsk8er: screwing nuts on (26. Jun. 2010 08:39)
	: Anyhoo, here's the question, as posted before here: http://www.instructables.com/answers/How-to-tighten-locknuts-without-the-bolt-being-fas/ : : ================================ : How to tighten locknuts without the bolt being fastened? : ================================ : So, I'm trying to fasten my trucks to my diy-ed skates now, but one of the three bolts of the first truck is looser in it's hole than the other three. When I try to screw the locknut on, the bolt just turns along, and there's my sole on the other end. First mounting the trucks to the baseplate and then mounting the baseplate to the boot is not an option, as there's bolts fastening the plate under the trucks. The way I see it is this : your bolt heads cannot be accessed, as the bolts holding the plate were installed before attaching your trucks to the plate. Therefor, you must have had the bolts for the trucks already in the plate as you bolted the plate to the boots. Then, when you attach the trucks, the bolt spins because you cannot get a spanner or a screw driver to it. Correct? Now, assuming I am right, the only solution would be the answers you got on the instructables website. The other solution is to rethink your mounting procedure. I made sure to attach my trucks to the 'ski skate plates' before attaching my plates to the boot. I firmly mounted my rear trucks to the 'ski skate plate' using all four mounting holes. I drilled a 3rd set of holes through the 'skate truck' base plates, and on through the 'ski skate plate' and the boot. These holes were in between the existing holes on the sides of the 'skate truck' base plates. I used bolts that were long enough to go through the boot, plate, and truck all at once. Thus, firmly attaching all 3 at one time. The front trucks were firmly attached to the 'ski skate plate' through the front holes of the front truck base plates. I used the rearward base plate holes to put 2 bolts through the boot, plate, and trucks, thus firmly attaching all 3 at one time, like with the rear trucks. In this way, you will not ever have loose spinning bolts. Man, I hope someone understands what I just said!! Whew!
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cephalopoid: screwing nuts on "loose" bolts? (26. Jun. 2010 10:45)
	: : Anyhoo, here's the question, as posted before here: http://www.instructables.com/answers/How-to-tighten-locknuts-without-the-bolt-being-fas/ : : : : ================================ : : How to tighten locknuts without the bolt being fastened? : : ================================ : : So, I'm trying to fasten my trucks to my diy-ed skates now, but one of the three bolts of the first truck is looser in it's hole than the other three. When I try to screw the locknut on, the bolt just turns along, and there's my sole on the other end. First mounting the trucks to the baseplate and then mounting the baseplate to the boot is not an option, as there's bolts fastening the plate under the trucks. : : The way I see it is this : : your bolt heads cannot be accessed, as the bolts holding the plate were installed before attaching your trucks to the plate. Therefor, you must have had the bolts for the trucks already in the plate as you bolted the plate to the boots. Then, when you attach the trucks, the bolt spins because you cannot get a spanner or a screw driver to it. Correct? : : Now, assuming I am right, the only solution would be the answers you got on the instructables website. The other solution is to rethink your mounting procedure. I made sure to attach my trucks to the 'ski skate plates' before attaching my plates to the boot. : : I firmly mounted my rear trucks to the 'ski skate plate' using all four mounting holes. I drilled a 3rd set of holes through the 'skate truck' base plates, and on through the 'ski skate plate' and the boot. These holes were in between the existing holes on the sides of the 'skate truck' base plates. I used bolts that were long enough to go through the boot, plate, and truck all at once. Thus, firmly attaching all 3 at one time. : : The front trucks were firmly attached to the 'ski skate plate' through the front holes of the front truck base plates. I used the rearward base plate holes to put 2 bolts through the boot, plate, and trucks, thus firmly attaching all 3 at one time, like with the rear trucks. : : In this way, you will not ever have loose spinning bolts. : : Man, I hope someone understands what I just said!! Whew! That really made sense! I really liked how you reformulated my question. It was like, almost 2 AM when I typed this, so I was dead tired after a day of bloodshed, cursing and almost finishing my left skate. I'm lucky that wound hasn't infected. Note to self: Never, ever, slip with stanley knives again. Re-Design's answer seems very good, I'll see if I have enough room left on the bolts for that idea. Gotta find some very, very fine pliers, now. Mom should have some.
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cephalopoid: screwing nuts on (26. Jun. 2010 18:38)
	: I use two nuts to avoid the spinning bolt problem. First, a non-locking nut. It will normally pose no problem to screw on a non-locking nut (in the worst case, I use a side cutter to cautiously grip the bolt in its threads). Afterwars, the bolt is tight enough so I can screw on the lock nut. Of course, the bolt needs to be long enough to accept two nuts. Mine weren't long enough for that. But the solution with cutting a stripe with my dremel did the job easily! Now I've finished the left skate. :D Slider and everything. It rocks, although the only thing that really "rocks" here is my trucks rocking me. They can't rock me to sleep though. My sense of humor sucks.
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cephalopoid: The legacy goes on - Toeguards (5. Jul. 2010 22:23)
	During the first session I quickly realised I needed toeguards. So today I went to a leather store and bought some pieces of cow skin. As I tend to fall in a fashion of "sliding on the right boot", which is clearly visible if you look close at my xsjados, my legs and my kneepads, I'll be needing something more than just a toeguard for my right boot. Me and my girlfriend thought of a heelguard, going from one side of the laces to the other through the back. Then, we'd add another slab of leather between heelguard and toeguard. That way I'd have sort of a "leather cuff". How do you guys protect your boots from the evil concrete? Any ideas on what I could do apart from this? I like to have multiple options.
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